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Saturn Returns and Music Eras

The Astrology Podcast・150 minutes read

Saturn's influence on music themes, sounds, and the impact of Saturn returns on musicians' work throughout different eras are explored in the podcast episode, highlighting correlations between astrological transits and musical trends. The podcast delves into how Saturn transits through zodiac signs shape music eras and individual musicians' creative expression, reflecting themes of time, legacy, and personal evolution.

Insights

  • Saturn's transits through zodiac signs influence music themes and sounds, correlating with planetary dignities.
  • Musicians' Saturn return albums often define their legacy, reflecting Saturn's influence on time and legacy.
  • The Spice Girls era in the late '90s during Saturn in Aries featured dominance by boy bands and themes of rivalry and conflict.
  • Saturn in Taurus in 1969 brought pop-soul hits from The Jackson 5 and 5th Dimension, funk soul from Sly and the Family Stone, and folk rock from Simon & Garfunkel.
  • Saturn's repetition in the same sign every 30 years reveals patterns in history, showcasing similar Martian-type themes.
  • Lady Gaga's album "Joanne" during her Saturn return symbolized shedding past personas and embarking on a soul-searching journey.
  • Demi Lovato's Saturn return in Aquarius led to the release of albums like "Holy Fvck" and "Dancing With the Devil," where she explored personal truths and gender identity.
  • Saturn in Capricorn music often referenced father figures in a suggestive manner, with songs like "Father Figure" and "Like a Prayer."
  • Roller-skating in circles at a skating rink to music from the mid-1990s was a popular activity on the East Coast in Delaware.

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Recent questions

  • What themes are associated with Saturn in Aries in music?

    Saturn in Aries influences music themes of freedom, equity, and overcoming obstacles. Artists during this period often embody themes of independence, conflict, and rivalry in their work. Classic rock, late Motown, and psychedelic rock genres were prevalent during Saturn in Aries, reflecting the energetic and assertive qualities of the sign.

  • How did Mariah Carey's Saturn return influence her music?

    Mariah Carey's Saturn return led to the release of her album "Butterfly," symbolizing freedom, independence, and a shift in her career. The album showcased a more sexual and edgy side of Mariah, working with hip-hop and R&B producers to explore themes of control and empowerment. Her divorce and personal transformation during this period were reflected in her music, defining a new chapter in her artistic journey.

  • What characterized music during Saturn in Leo?

    Music during Saturn in Leo was characterized by fun, upbeat, and loud themes, often referencing fame, royalty, and the Sun. Artists like David Bowie, Queen, and the Bee Gees were prominent during this time, known for their flamboyant and theatrical styles. The disco era and the emergence of club music reflected the vibrant and celebratory nature of Saturn in Leo, with hits like "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Dancing Queen" embodying the essence of the sign.

  • How did Lady Gaga's Saturn return influence her music?

    Lady Gaga's Saturn return in Libra era saw her release a self-titled album exploring her sexuality, feminism, and monogamous love. The album emphasized themes of empowerment and self-expression, marking a period of personal growth and artistic evolution for Gaga. Her transition from past personas to a more authentic self was reflected in her music, symbolizing a return to her roots and a deeper connection with her true identity.

  • What characterized music during Saturn in Capricorn?

    Music during Saturn in Capricorn was marked by industrial, gothic, and dreamy themes, reflecting a focus on making dreams a reality and embracing a darker aesthetic. Artists like Taylor Dayne and The B-52's embodied Saturn in Capricorn's influence, with songs like "Love Shack" and "Vision of Love" capturing the essence of the era. The period emphasized humility, setting new frameworks, and honoring heritage, shaping the musical landscape with diverse and introspective sounds.

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Summary

00:00

Saturn Transits Influence Music Industry Evolution

  • The Astrology Podcast features Chris Brennan discussing Saturn transits and the music industry with astrologers Camille Michelle Gray and Lindsey Turner.
  • Saturn is associated with everyday people, exalting in Libra, impacting creative expression and equity.
  • Saturn's transits through zodiac signs influence music themes and sounds, correlating with planetary dignities.
  • Camille focuses on musicians' Saturn returns between 27 and 30, noting shifts in lyrics, persona, and themes like addiction and honesty.
  • Musicians' Saturn return albums often define their legacy, reflecting Saturn's influence on time and legacy.
  • The podcast will explore each zodiac sign's Saturn returns and music eras, starting with Aries in the '60s and '90s.
  • Saturn in Aries in the late '60s brought classic rock, late Motown, and psychedelic rock, reflecting themes of freedom and equity.
  • Songs like "People Got To Be Free," "Love Child," and "Think" by artists like The Rascals, Diana Ross, and Aretha Franklin embody Aries themes.
  • Marvin Gaye's "Ain't No Mountain High" during his Saturn return in Aries symbolizes overcoming obstacles and springtime.
  • The Spice Girls era in the late '90s during Saturn in Aries featured dominance by boy bands and themes of rivalry and conflict.

12:52

"90s Music Scene: Saturn's Influence"

  • The 90s music scene featured hits like "Unbreak My Heart," "The Boy Is Mine," and "Mo Money, Mo Problems" by Biggie Smalls, amidst the East Coast-West Coast rap rivalry.
  • Mariah Carey's Saturn return is exemplified by her album "Butterfly," symbolizing freedom and independence, coinciding with her divorce and a shift in her career.
  • The album showcases Mariah in a more sexual and edgy light, working with hip-hop and R&B producers, reflecting themes of control and empowerment.
  • Tupac's death during Saturn in Aries marked a significant period of conflict, with Saturn at 4° of Aries during that time.
  • Saturn's return to Aries in the mid-to-late 90s saw a culmination of conflicts, leading to reflection and a shift in trends.
  • Saturn's repetition in the same sign every 30 years reveals patterns in history, showcasing similar Martian-type themes.
  • Saturn's transition to Taurus in 1969 brought pop-soul hits from The Jackson 5 and 5th Dimension, funk soul from Sly and the Family Stone, and folk rock from Simon & Garfunkel.
  • The era featured themes of sweetness, friendship, and social consciousness in music, reflecting Venusian influences and the Moon's exaltation in Taurus.
  • The period also saw the emergence of Woodstock, a music festival embodying Taurus' relaxing and nature-oriented qualities.
  • Saturn's return to Taurus in 1998-2000 brought songs centered on money, materialism, sensuality, and pleasing others, reflecting the era's themes and influences.

26:06

"Saturn in Gemini: Musical Reflections and Themes"

  • Gwen Stefani's album "Return of Saturn" was released on April 11, 2000, with Saturn in Taurus.
  • The album explores themes of depression, femininity, and relationships, reflecting a shift from their previous work.
  • During Saturn in Gemini (1971-1974), songs emphasized storytelling and detailed lyrics.
  • Songs like Cat Stevens' "Morning Has Broken" and Karen Carpenter's "Superstar" exemplify the duality in expression during this time.
  • Songs like Three Dog Nights' "Joy to the World" and Janis Joplin's "Me and Bobby McGee" tell stories.
  • Saturn in Gemini also inspired songs about loving fantasies, like the Temptations' "Just My Imagination."
  • Songs like Chuck Berry's "My Ding-a-Ling" and Andrew Lloyd Weber's "Jesus Christ Superstar" showcase the diverse themes during this period.
  • Carol King's success as both a recording artist and songwriter exemplifies the duality of Saturn in Gemini.
  • During the second era of Saturn in Gemini (2000-2003), songs like Kylie Minogue's "Can't Get You Out of My Head" and Usher's "You Remind Me" topped the charts.
  • Joni Mitchell's album "Blue" during Saturn in Gemini reflects themes of sadness, loss, and transformation, becoming a defining piece of work for her.

39:39

Eminem's Saturn in Gemini and Cancer Impact

  • The second and third albums on the sales charts, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show, were hugely successful, surpassing all other albums released since then.
  • Eminem's known for his lyricism, which was prominent during the Saturn in Gemini period, despite personal struggles with drug issues.
  • Eminem's early work was characterized by silliness and mockery, reflecting the Gemini traits.
  • Eminem's comeback with "Rap God" in the early 2000s showcased dense lyricism, aligning with Saturn in Gemini.
  • Saturn entering Cancer in the '70s led to a darker, moodier sound in music, with a focus on soul and R&B genres.
  • Artists like Barry White, Chaka Khan, and Marvin Gaye exemplified the Cancerian themes in their music during this transit.
  • Songs during Saturn in Cancer often revolved around themes of parenthood, racial identity, time, memory, and trains.
  • Saturn in Cancer also saw the rise of songs about bad men and women breaking glass ceilings, overcoming patriarchy.
  • The 2000s, during Saturn in Cancer, marked the peak of emo music, with songs focusing on intense love and emotions.
  • Artists like Dolly Parton, Alanis Morissette, and Lauryn Hill experienced career peaks in the 1990s before their Saturn return in the mid-2000s, leading to transitions in their careers and lives.

53:49

Disco Era: Saturn in Leo's Influence

  • Disco music gained momentum in the Billboard charts from 1975 to 1978, with Saturn in Leo being a significant influence.
  • The disco ball symbolizes Saturn in Leo, with its bright luminary representing the Sun and Saturn's association with darkness.
  • Venus retrograde in Leo brought keywords like 'glitter bomb' and inspired disco-themed Barbie movies and Dua Lipa songs.
  • The movie "Saturday Night Fever" released during a transition from Saturn in Leo to Virgo, aligning with Saturn's retrograde.
  • Music during Saturn in Leo was characterized by fun, upbeat, and loud themes, with references to fame and royalty.
  • Notable songs during this period included David Bowie's "Fame," Queen's "Killer Queen," Abba's "Dancing Queen," and Bee Gees' "You Should Be Dancing."
  • Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" stood out as a timeless Saturn in Leo song, known for its operatic and bombastic style.
  • Elton John and Freddy Mercury, both with Saturn in Leo, were prominent artists during this time, representing black and gay culture.
  • The second era of Saturn in Leo, around 2005-2007, featured club music like Nelly Furtado's "Promiscuous" and Beyoncé's "Irreplaceable."
  • David Bowie's album "Low" during Saturn in Leo reflected a period of melancholy and reflection, influencing the post-punk genre and being hailed as his masterpiece.

01:07:48

Disco Era: Mercury, Virgo, and Decline

  • Mercury signifies brotherhood according to Valens
  • Mercury rules the hands, arms, and shoulders, relevant in disco choreography
  • "YMCA" by the Village People features choreography with arms and hands
  • Disco clubs become mainstream for singles to meet
  • Donna Summer, the 'disco queen', had numerous hits during her Saturn return
  • "Grease" with John Travolta and Olivia Newton John reflects Virgo themes
  • The Knack's "My Sharona" reflects a virginal quality of the time
  • Bands named Kansas and Bread nod to Virgo's association with wheat and grains
  • The Bee Gees changed their sound during the recording of Saturday Night Fever
  • The decline of disco was influenced by racist and homophobic sentiments, culminating in the "Disco Demolition" event

01:21:54

Donald Glover's Multifaceted Artistry and Astrological Influences

  • Donald Glover sings in a high tone in his song "Redbone," reminiscent of kids with naturally higher voices.
  • Donald Glover/Childish Gambino has a chart with 21 Virgo rising and Mercury at 16 Virgo, which was stationary at his birth.
  • Donald Glover excels in various fields like acting, stand-up comedy, music, and producing.
  • Saturn in Libra from 1980 to 1983 marked a transition from '70s disco to an '80s post-disco era.
  • The December 1980 Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in Libra signified a significant shift in history.
  • 1980 saw a shift in music identity, with artists struggling to find their footing.
  • 1981 featured themes of women, beauty, femininity, and love songs in the Year-End Hot 100.
  • Numerous songs in 1981 referenced women, hearts, roses, and kisses, reflecting Venus symbolism.
  • Notable love songs in 1981 included Lionel Richie and Diana Ross' "Endless Love" and The Pointer Sisters' "Slow Hand."
  • Beyoncé's Saturn return in Libra era saw her release a self-titled album exploring her sexuality and feminism, emphasizing monogamous love and feminism.

01:35:07

Saturn in Libra and Scorpio Music Trends

  • Saturn in Libra symbolizes hitting the highest point in one's field, with artists like Beyoncé exemplifying continuous growth and success.
  • Beyoncé's union with Jay-Z is highlighted as a power couple, where their talents individually and together have led to mutual success.
  • Justin Timberlake, during his Saturn return in Libra, paused his music career to focus on acting, showcasing a transition between fields.
  • Britney Spears, also with Saturn in Libra, faced challenges during her conservatorship, reflecting struggles with control and career.
  • Eclipses in Libra have brought revelations for both Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, shedding light on past relationships.
  • Saturn in Scorpio, characterized by dark and edgy themes, is associated with Billboard hits focusing on exercise and training.
  • Songs like Olivia Newton John's "Physical" and Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" exemplify the martial and strategic training aspects of Saturn in Scorpio.
  • Saturn in Scorpio also brings about songs with themes of secrecy and stalking, such as The Police's "Every Breath You Take" and Hall and Oates' "Private Eyes."
  • Love songs during Saturn in Scorpio, like Joan Jett & the Blackhearts' "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" and Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse of the Heart," are raw and cynical.
  • Halloween-themed songs like Steve Miller Band's "Abracadabra" and Michael Jackson's "Thriller" were released during Scorpio season, embodying the spooky essence of the sign.

01:49:02

Saturn Returns: Celebrities and Scorpio Themes

  • Michael Jackson's biggest hit was "Thriller," followed by his Saturn return, which was marked by the release of his album "Bad" and the pressure of celebrity.
  • During his Saturn return, Michael Jackson felt intense public scrutiny and even bought out a grocery store to experience shopping without being mobbed.
  • The association between monsters and the Moon was explored, with Scorpio being the sign of the Moon's fall and monsters being related to money.
  • Songs released during the Saturn in Scorpio season included "Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons, "Blurred Lines" by Robin Thicke, and "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry, all with controversial themes.
  • Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry experienced their Saturn returns during this time, with themes of shedding old images and embracing adulthood.
  • Macklemore's "Thrift Shop" tied in with Scorpio themes of scarcity and resourcefulness.
  • Iggy Azalea's breakout songs, along with Lorde's darker pop, reflected Scorpio placements and themes.
  • Billy Idol's album "Rebel Yell" during his Saturn return was inspired by French horror films and personal relationship issues.
  • Donald Glover, during his Saturn return in Scorpio, went silent on social media and later released intense reflections on his fears and struggles.
  • Donald Glover's handwritten notes during his Saturn return reflected deep fears and insecurities, leading up to the release of his second album.

02:02:09

"Saturn in Sagittarius: Music and Reflections"

  • The individual's interest in music led to successful albums, establishing him as a major musician, actor, and comedian.
  • Insights into personal thoughts and reflections during Saturn return were shared, similar to others' experiences.
  • Saturn in Scorpio reflections were heavy, but the individual came out on the other side.
  • The individual's Saturn is in Sagittarius, leading to a discussion on the saxophone and its significance.
  • Sagittarius themes in music include spirituality, charity, and aspirational love, reflecting Jupiter's influence.
  • Hit songs during Saturn in Sagittarius include "St. Elmo's Fire," "You're The Inspiration," and "Higher Love."
  • Songs during this time often had spiritual or inspirational elements, with some addressing social issues.
  • Notable songs during Saturn in Sagittarius include "We Are the World," "Love Will Conquer All," and "La Bamba."
  • The era of 2015-2017 saw hits like "Uptown Funk," "Sugar," and "Despacito," reflecting Jupiterian themes.
  • Lady Gaga's album "Joanne" during her Saturn return symbolized shedding past personas and embarking on a soul-searching journey.

02:15:47

Saturn in Capricorn: Music of Humility

  • Lady Gaga's album focused on returning to family, history, and strength, aiming to forget fame and connect with one's true self.
  • Uranus aspects in an artist like Doja Cat can lead to eccentricity and a desire for uniqueness.
  • Madonna and Lady Gaga share Saturn in Sagittarius, indicating significant periods in their careers.
  • Saturn in Capricorn brought industrial and gothic music, with songs like "Rhythm Nation" and "Enjoy the Silence" embodying the era.
  • The introduction of hip-hop MCs and DJs during Saturn in Capricorn, with songs like "Bust a Move" and "Ice Ice Baby" marking the time.
  • Saturn in Capricorn music often referenced father figures in a suggestive manner, with songs like "Father Figure" and "Like a Prayer."
  • Songs during Saturn in Capricorn also focused on making dreams a reality, with tracks like "Vision of Love" embodying this theme.
  • The B-52's "Love Shack" humorously reflects Saturn's associations with poverty, while Taylor Dayne's "Don't Rush Me" aligns with Saturn's deliberate nature.
  • In the 2017-2020 era of Saturn in Capricorn, songs like "Despacito," "Humble," and "Bad and Bougie" continued the theme of humility and returning to basics.
  • The presence of Daddy Yankee in "Despacito" and themes of starting from nothing in songs like "Bad and Bougie" connect to the Saturn in Capricorn era.

02:29:25

Saturn's Influence on Music Evolution

  • In 2018, notable songs like Drake's “God's Plan,” Dua Lipa's “New Rules,” Ed Sheeran's “Perfect,” Camila Cabello and Cardi B's “Havana” and “I Like It” were released, reflecting Capricorn themes of surrendering control, setting new frameworks, focusing on traditional values, and honoring heritage.
  • Lil Nas X's “Oldtown Road” in 2019 evokes vintage Western times, aligning with Saturn in Capricorn's influence over old things. Billie Eilish's “Bad Guy” portrays a darker aesthetic with lyrics referencing 'daddy,' while Ariana Grande's “7 Rings” humorously nods to Saturn as the seventh planet, symbolizing materialism and earning.
  • Hayley Williams' solo debut during her Saturn return in Capricorn reflects a reintroduction of self, marked by a dark aesthetic inspired by depression following a divorce. Her song “Resistance” mirrors Saturn themes of persistence and overcoming challenges.
  • Hayley Williams' album resonates with Saturn in Capricorn work ethic, emphasizing pushing against obstacles. Her lyrics in “Resistance” embody the spirit of Saturn, aligning with her personal connection to the planet.
  • Hayley Williams' Saturn return coincided with her solo debut, reflecting a Saturnian influence on her identity. Her album's themes of persistence and overcoming challenges echo the essence of Saturn in Capricorn.
  • Bo Burnham's Saturn return during the pandemic led to his special “Inside,” capturing themes of deteriorating mental health, performativity, and introspection, resonating with Saturn in Capricorn experiences during lockdowns.
  • 'Weird Al' Yankovic's Saturn return in the late '80s marked a low point in his career, later followed by a revival period. Bo Burnham's Saturn return during the pandemic inspired his special “Inside,” reflecting themes of mental health and introspection.
  • Saturn in Aquarius from 1991 to 1994 saw a surge in hip-hop and rap music on the Billboard charts, symbolizing a shift from fringe to mainstream. Artists like Color Me Badd, C+C Music Factory, Boyz II Men, LL Cool Jay, Sir Mix-a-Lot, and Mary J. Blige dominated the charts.
  • The influx of hip-hop and rap music during Saturn in Aquarius represented a transition from fringe to mainstream, mirroring the sign's desire to make the unconventional accepted. Grunge music also gained popularity during this period, with Nirvana's “Smells Like Teen Spirit” becoming a hit.
  • Themes of casual sex and detachment were prevalent in music during Saturn in Aquarius, reflecting a carefree and non-committal attitude towards relationships. Red Hot Chili Peppers' funk rock sound also emerged during this time, adding to the diverse musical landscape of the '90s.

02:42:52

Music Evolution: Tapes to TikTok and Beyond

  • In 1993, technological advancements like CD players revolutionized music listening by eliminating the need to rewind tapes or deal with tape malfunctions.
  • The transition from cassette tapes to CDs around 1993 marked a significant change in music consumption.
  • The introduction of home stereo systems with multiple CD changers allowed individuals to curate their music mixes, reducing reliance on radio or tapes.
  • The rise of music producers and DJs like Dr. Dre in the early '90s played a crucial role in popularizing music due to their innovative beats.
  • In the era of Saturn in Aquarius from 2020 to 2023, hip-hop dominated the music scene, with artists like The Weeknd and Dua Lipa incorporating synth-pop and electro-pop elements.
  • The popularity of K-pop, particularly BTS, during this time reflected a shift towards embracing diverse cultures in music.
  • The advent of platforms like TikTok democratized fame in the music industry, allowing anyone to gain recognition through viral challenges.
  • Demi Lovato's Saturn return in Aquarius led to the release of albums like "Holy Fvck" and "Dancing With the Devil," where she explored personal truths and gender identity.
  • Miley Cyrus experienced a successful Saturn return in Aquarius, marked by hits like "Wrecking Ball" and "Flowers," reflecting personal growth and empowerment.
  • Saturn in Pisces from 1993 to 1996 saw the release of iconic love songs like Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" and Mariah Carey's "Dreamlover," embodying themes of redemptive love and disillusionment.

02:57:11

Reviving roller-skating culture in nostalgic songs.

  • Roller-skating in circles at a skating rink to music from the mid-1990s was a popular activity on the East Coast in Delaware.
  • Skating rinks were central social places in the past, but now roller-skating is more niche, especially in Atlanta.
  • Efforts have been made to revive the skating rink culture, with older individuals trying to bring it back.
  • Skating rinks were significant social locations for childhood memories, with songs like Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" evoking strong nostalgia.
  • The song "Gangsta's Paradise" was associated with a movie about inner-city struggles, reflecting themes of crime and poverty.
  • The movie "Dangerous Minds" was linked to the song "Gangsta's Paradise," focusing on individuals trapped in challenging lifestyles.
  • Michael Jackson's song "Say You'll Be There" from the movie Free Willy, symbolizing liberation, resonates with current themes of orcas in the news.
  • The second era of Saturn in Pisces began in 2023, with songs like Miley Cyrus' "Flowers" and SZA's "Kill Bill" reflecting themes of love, disillusionment, and rebirth.
  • Artists like Megan Thee Stallion and Doja Cat are experiencing their Saturn returns, with themes of struggle, reflection, and re-evaluation in their work and personal lives.
  • Musicians like Kurt Cobain and Justin Bieber, with Pisces influences, faced health issues during their Saturn returns, highlighting challenges of aging and limitations.

03:10:22

Saturn's Influence in Music and Artistry

  • Venus stationed at 28 Leo during the release of the Barbie movie, a notable event.
  • Tanerélle has Saturn in Pisces, sparking curiosity about her Saturn return.
  • Tanerélle, a singer, is known for her otherworldly Saturn in Pisces vibe in her music.
  • Tanerélle did a captivating livestreamed concert during the pandemic.
  • Saturn just made its second station in Pisces at 0°, marking the beginning of a significant period.
  • Saturn's progression towards Neptune in Pisces will intensify an otherworldly vibe.
  • Listening to music can offer a unique way to embody zodiac signs and learn about oneself or others.
  • Saturn's influence in music is healing and provides structure, setting the tempo for cultural shifts.
  • Saturn's role as a container and foundation influences various aspects of life, including music.
  • Saturn return periods and the influence of Saturn on artists across generations are significant themes discussed.

03:23:40

"Music, Astrology Integration & Patreon Support"

  • The podcast episode discussed the integration of music and astrology, highlighting the added depth and subtlety brought out by this approach.
  • Viewers were encouraged to support the podcast through Patreon, offering benefits like early access to episodes, live forecast recordings, exclusive podcasts, and credits listing.
  • Various astrology resources were recommended, including the CHANI App, astrology software like Solar Fire for Windows and Astro Gold for Mac OS, and educational materials like the book "Hellenistic Astrology" and the Hellenistic Astrology Course.
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