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Can we Fix Capitalism? Yanis Varoufakis vs Gillian Tett

Intelligence Squared・71 minutes read

Capitalism is evolving into a post-capitalist system called "techno-feudalism," with concerns about monopolies like Amazon and Facebook. There is a debate on the need to fix the flaws in capitalism or transition to a new economic system, emphasizing the role of the younger generation in shaping the future.

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Capitalism is transitioning into a post-capitalist system called "techno-feudalism," with central bank money playing a crucial role in the rise of monopolistic platforms like Amazon and Facebook.
The gap between the ideals of capitalism and its actual practice is emphasized, pointing out flaws in access to markets, price transparency, ownership, and shared moral frameworks.
Advocacy for a return to Adam Smith's original vision of capitalism, focusing on competition, innovation, and personal responsibility, is highlighted as essential for a successful economy.

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Recent questions

Can capitalism be fixed?
Yes, through regulatory reforms and transparency.
What are the challenges of green growth in capitalism?
Exploitation of green labels and environmental devastation.
How can cooperatives impact capitalism?
By promoting shared profits and collective decision-making.
What role does data transparency play in addressing issues with digital platforms?
Ensuring accountability and ethical governance.
How can capitalism evolve for a more sustainable future?
By incorporating digital technology and regulatory reforms.

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Summary

00:00

"Fixing Capitalism: Transition to Techno-Feudalism"

The speaker expresses gratitude for the audience's presence at the Union Chapel and introduces the topic of fixing capitalism.
The audience is asked to show their views on whether capitalism can be fixed or if a new economic system is needed.
Janice Varoufakis, a former Greek finance minister, argues that capitalism is transitioning into a post-capitalist system termed "techno-feudalism."
Varoufakis highlights that capitalism's defining features are profit and markets, but central bank money is now crucial, leading to the rise of monopolistic platforms like Amazon and Facebook.
Julian Tett, an anthropologist and financial journalist, defends capitalism's core principles of competition and reinvestment of profits but criticizes the current form of capitalism.
Tett emphasizes the gap between the ideals of capitalism and its actual practice, pointing out flaws in access to markets, price transparency, ownership, and shared moral frameworks.
She argues that the tech sector also suffers from issues like monopoly power and lack of transparency, aligning with Varoufakis' concerns about the changing nature of capitalism.
Tett advocates for a return to Adam Smith's original vision of capitalism, emphasizing competition, innovation, and personal responsibility.
She delves into the origins of words like "company" and "finance," highlighting the historical context of business relationships and financial activities.
Tett concludes by asserting her belief in the principles of competition and reinvestment, rooted in a shared moral and ethical framework, as essential for driving a successful economy.

18:15

"Finance, capitalism, and market decoupling explained"

Finance originally focused on settling blood debts and tangible commercial transactions, serving as a means to an end, not an end itself.
The vision of capitalism supported involves companies as groups of people competing and collaborating, with money as a driving force for economic growth.
Market players' reaction to a significant GDP drop in August 2020 in London led to a decoupling of financial markets from real capitalism.
The financial crisis of 2008 saw central banks printing money to refloat financial markets successfully, leading to a reliance on central bank money in capitalism.
Quantitative easing (QE) has resulted in corporations like Amazon benefiting from increased share market value due to central bank money printing.
Companies are buying back their own shares with borrowed money, leading to a separation in capitalism between profitable companies and those reliant on central bank money.
The current form of equity markets and stockholding companies is criticized for stifling competition and financializing profits.
A proposed alternative market structure involves companies owned by employees, where profits are shared and reinvested, with decisions made collectively.
The effectiveness of cooperatives in business operations is highlighted, with challenges arising from larger corporations buying out successful cooperatives.
The need for regulatory structures to prevent winners from monopolizing markets and creating unfair competition is emphasized, alongside the importance of digital transparency in changing business dynamics.

35:36

"Reforming Capitalism: Transparency for Green Growth"

The speaker emphasizes the need to move away from share markets for competition and freedom to thrive, advocating for a system where capital comes from savings, as Adam Smith recognized the pitfalls of liquid ownership.
Proposes automatic enrollment in pension funds for asset ownership, mutual funds fueling investments in companies, and radical digital transparency for tracking company activities and voting.
Points out the dominance of pension funds by a few entities like State Street and Vanguard, suggesting reform for better financial oversight and regulation to spark innovation and growth.
Highlights the prevalence of barter in Silicon Valley, where data is exchanged for services, emphasizing the importance of understanding and changing the terms of trade in the tech sector.
Advocates for consumer power through data portability, transparency in data usage, and competition to reform tech companies, drawing parallels with the banking system for transferring data between tech platforms.
Stresses the need to change property rights over personal data and shift from tunnel vision to lateral vision in economic models to account for environmental externalities and natural resource costs.
Discusses the challenges of green growth within capitalism, citing examples of corporations exploiting green labels for profit, and the speaker's belief in competition and radical transparency as checks and balances for a greener future.
Acknowledges the prevalence of greenwashing and misuse of green labels by companies and finances, but argues for the importance of competition and radical transparency in driving green initiatives over government intervention alone.
Raises concerns about corporations exploiting green growth for profit, using genetically modified trees and biomass harvesting under the guise of environmentalism, cautioning against the potential devastation of land and ecosystems.
Emphasizes the need for checks and balances, distrust in government to drive green initiatives, and the power of radical transparency in holding companies accountable for their environmental impact in today's information-rich world.

51:56

"Forest transparency drives environmental action and awareness"

Radical transparency in forests allows quick dissemination of information.
Different groups in society, not just governments, contribute to environmental efforts.
Citizens armed with cell phones provide valuable data for forest management.
Companies, driven by various motives, are improving their environmental actions.
Companies today are more environmentally conscious compared to past decades.
Empowering communities without reliance on large corporations or the state is crucial.
The illusion of transparency in media coverage of environmental issues is highlighted.
Information asymmetry in markets poses challenges for fixing issues in capitalism.
Checks and balances are necessary to prevent winners of capitalism from co-opting the political system.
Capitalism's short-term focus conflicts with the need for global coordination on long-term issues like climate change.

01:07:34

"Challenges of Digital Platform Monopolies in Capitalism"

Janice discusses the unprecedented situation of digital platform monopolies and the challenges capitalism faces in overcoming them.
Reference is made to the impact of Standard Oil and the Rockefellers in the 1890s, highlighting how regulation helped fix capitalism at that time.
Jillian emphasizes the importance of data transparency, governance, and regulation in addressing issues with digital platforms.
A question is raised about emerging socialist societies like the Zapatistas in Mexico and their impact.
The discussion delves into the emergence of super companies and the need to address their influence.
A comparison is drawn between Standard Oil's monopoly and Amazon's control, highlighting the vast power held by the latter.
The conversation shifts to the role of cooperatives and their lack of incentives for growth and expansion.
The possibility of regulating capitalism to prevent exploitation and promote competition is explored.
The question of whether capitalism can exist without exploitation is raised, emphasizing the need for checks and balances.
The debate concludes with a focus on reimagining capitalism, fixing its flaws, and incorporating digital technology for a more sustainable future.

01:23:36

Future of capitalism debated by experts.

The debate focused on the question of whether capitalism can be fixed, with one side arguing that it has evolved beyond repair, likening it to the irrelevance of discussing fixing feudalism in the 1800s.
Participants concluded that the next generation will be the key players in determining the future of capitalism, with a split opinion on whether the current economic system needs minor adjustments or a completely new approach.

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